Eternal Leadership

If you are looking at a life change, get rid of a Plan B and develop a mindset where there isn’t a back door.

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Knock and keep on knocking and it will be opened. Now, will you step through and will you be faithful? Will you stay the course not if, but WHEN the challenges come? And we don’t get spooked so badly when those challenges come. You just modify plan A and find a way around, over or under.  Keep pressing to get through to the fullness of what you feel God has really called you.Chris McCluskey

As you’ve listened to our Eternal Leadership Podcast, you have no doubt heard numerous references to Christian Coaching. You may have looked into it yourself, whether to learn more about it or to hire a Christian Coach to help you bring the best out your business. It’s a movement that our guest believes will be fundamental to churches and businesses worldwide as Christians seek to integrate their faith with the marketplace.

Join us today as we hear from the “Father of Christian Coaching”, Chris McCluskey. Chris is the founder and president of the Professional Christian Coaching Institute. His journey from Christian psychotherapy into coaching was a call from God that required him to take a leap of faith and answer some hard questions. Christ will share his story and give a clear understanding of the definition of Christian Coaching and what it can do for individuals and our culture. You won’t want to miss this insightful episode.

What you will learn:

  • How Christian Coaching is different from Christian Counseling
  • Coaching looks toward the future while counseling deals with the past.
  • Why the wave of Christian Coaching has been so successful.
  • The difference between the “outside in” model and the “inside out” model.
  • If you are looking at a life change, get rid of a Plan B and develop a mindset where there isn’t a back door.
  • What is the future of Christian Coaching?
  • How well-known Christian leaders in business are integrating Christian coaching into the marketplace.
  • The importance of looking for the answers to our questions inside of us, through the Holy Spirit.
  • Where to find more information on Christian Coaching and how you can influence people by bringing out the best in them.


I think what I had was a front row seat to the dismantling of the family. Here I was being so close to other people’s battlefields that eventually you become shell shocked. You can’t believe the amount of pain and trauma that families were facing. The Lord introduced me to this new field called life coaching. It was about vision, it was about growth. It wasn’t about brokenness and healing in the past. It was about what could be, what’s possible, and I saw the immediate connections with our faith and worldview and God’s calling on our lives. And the rest is history.Chris McCluskey



Chris McCluskey is a visionary leader who pioneered thew world of Christian Coaching. in 1998, Christ transitioned entirely out of his ownership of the largest Christian psychotherapy practice in Tampa Bay into full-time coaching as a solo practitioner in his new business, Coaching for Christian Living, Inc. He is the founder of Professional Christian Coaching Institute. Chris has presented at more than 50 national and international conferences. He and his wife, Rachel, are best-selling authors of the highly-acclaimed marriage book When Two Become One. They are frequent guests on popular Christian radio and television shows. Chris and Rachel operate Professional Christian Coaching Institute and Coaching for Christian Living from their ranch in the foothills of the Ozark Mountains in south-central Missouri where they homeschool their seven children. Chris’ passions include music, the performing arts, and nature, but most of all his family.

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Build a foundation on bedrock and every structure will stand during the storms

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The marketplace is one of the best places for ministry

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“I tell people it’s really inappropriate for you to walk into your marketplace and say ‘hey, God has called me to minister to you.’ So don’t ever say anything about it. Let it happen on His schedule and off work time mostly, because otherwise you’re going to be known as that Bible thumper. So, let’s back up and get a view of what ministry in the marketplace is. It’s totally different than ministry in the church, and if we can understand that, and making ethical decisions is one of those things, just doing the right thing. And I think God’s call to purity in business is one of His highest calls.”- Rich Marshall

If you are a believer, God has called you to minister to those around you right where you are. You don’t have to be a pastor or work in a Christian ministry, you just have to ask God to use you in a way that honors Him each and every day. Your business can be your ministry, even if you don’t, or can’t, talk about Jesus openly.

Join us today as we talk with Rich Marshall, one of the pioneers of the modern marketplace ministry movement. Rich will share some wonderful examples of how God has used business professionals to change their companies, one life at a time. His E.P.I.C. system, Ethics, Principals, Integrity, and Character, is a proven, God-ordained way to have a lasting influence on your workplace.

What you will learn:

  • The importance of Revelation 1:6 “And hath made us kings and priests unto God the Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
  • If you’re called of God, you’re called to serve Him right where you are.
  • Ministry in the work place doesn’t always mean starting a prayer meeting or Bible study at work. It means living with integrity and purity and praying about people and business transactions.
  • The importance of starting your day with asking the Lord to use you.
  • One person can change the workplace if you are the presence of Christ.
  • The business world does not have to be evil and sinful.
  • The importance of patience. Change won’t necessarily happen overnight.
  • How to strike balance in brining God into the workplace without being a Bible thumper.
  • You may not always know what lives will be touched, but they will.

You might wonder how i got involved in corporate training. It’s because everything i learned in corporate training I learned from the Bible.” - Rich Marshall


Books: God at Work volume 1 & God at Work volume 2 by Rich Marshall

Book: There’s No Such Thing as “Business” Ethics: There’s Only One Rule for Making Decisions by John Maxwell.


Rich Marshall is an international speaker and trainer. Rich brings over 40 years of in depth knowledge and hands on experience in pastoring, church planting and now business consulting and counseling within both the private sector and the non-profit sector of businesses. Rich and Wilma Marshall founded ROI, an inspirational and equipping ministry to the business community.

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Encouragement if you are going through the pit

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Whatever You Do, Work at it With All Your Heart

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“I believe that God has given each of us a mandate to solve a problem. And when we begin to solve problems, we begin to have influence. Because culture doesn't care who solves their problem, they just want their problem solved. So I believe that influence is a result of a fruit of our call, not a goal.”- Os Hillman

Colossians 3:23 says, “Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters.”  Whether you work in the secular world, or whether you work for a ministry, everything you do with a motive to serve God is part of living out your faith. Work is ministry, regardless of your job.

On today’s podcast, we will talk with Os Hillman, president of Marketplace Leaders. Os went through a very difficult period in his business and personal life, but God used that time to bring good out of a painful situation. This experience has given him a unique perspective on how to help others who are going through similar circumstances. He also learned that it’s important to take our relationship with God into every aspect of our lives, including our business endeavors.

What You Will Learn:

  • There does not have to be an iron curtain between the business world and the spiritual world.
  • Understanding God’s view of work.
  • How to apply the Bible to your field of professional work.
  • The Strategy of the 7 Mountains
  • How you can have an influence.
  • The 4 attributes of a Christian in the marketplace.
  • The importance of being faithful to the small things.

“It's not a reigning over people, it's using the spiritual authority of the Holy Spirit to be able to pray things in to existence. To be able to be his witnesses in the Earth. To be able to share the gospel, to be able to solve problems. That's what I mean by authority, not to dominate another person, but to represent Heaven on Earth.”- Os  Hillman


Book: The Upside of Adversity by Os Hillman

Extra Audio: A Story of being faithful told by Os Hillman


Os Hillman is president of Marketplace Leaders, an organization whose purpose is to help men and women discover and fulfill God’s complete purpose through their work and to view their work as ministry. He is an internationally recognized speaker on the subject of faith at work and the author of 14 books and a daily devotional called TGIF Today God is First. Os has been featured on CNBC, NBC, LA Times, New York Times and other national media. He is also president of Aslan, Inc. Os serves on the National Day of Prayer Committee and is national board member of The Jesus Alliance.

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There is a difference between a leaders goals and priorities

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“People know who they are, but other people try to force them to be what they're not. As a result, they're miserable. They're unhappy. They're frustrated. They're often angry. And I'll tell you what our role is, I believe is to free the person to be who they are. And if they say I'm not a goal setter, don't force them to set goals. If they say I'm a problem solver, well, let them solve problems.”-Bobb Biehl

Are you a goal-oriented person, a problem-oriented a person, or an opportunity-oriented person? As a leader, do you know how to tell the difference in these types of personalities among your team and how to help these personalities work together? Would you be willing to stop setting goals?

Join us as we talk with Bobb Biehl, an executive mentor who has consulted personally with over 500 senior executives. Bobb will share his strategies for strengthening leaders and executives, helping them find clarity in their lives and their organizations. In a world where everything seems to be goal driven, you will get an eye-opening perspective on how to relax and maximize the strengths of those around you.

What you will learn:

  • 3 areas that leaders can be strengthened: clarity of focus, gathering the right team, and learning how to handle money.
  • How to overcome anxiety and doubts about leadership.
  • The difference between situational confidence, life confidence, and God confidence.
  • The difference between goals and priorities.
  • 4 Levels of Thinking

“Well, a lot of people feel, or teach, even, that without goals, you can't get anywhere. That's nonsense. A lot of people feel like to be a leader, you have to have goals. That's nonsense as well. They feel like, well, you can lead something, but you can't be a president, or a senior pastor, or an executive director, without having goals.”-Bobb Biehl


Book: Stop Setting Goals If You Would Rather Solve Problems by Bobb Biehl


Bobb Biehl  is an executive mentor and has consulted with over 500 senior executives since 1976. He has created over 50 tools in the area of personal and organizational development. Prior to starting Masterplanning Group in 1976, he was on the executive team of World Vision International. He has been on boards of directors for Jesus People International, Focus on the Family and a publicly traded corporation. Bobb married Cheryl in 1964. They live in Scottsdale, Arizona and have 2 adult children, 2 grand-children and 4 great grand-children.

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Extraordinary leaders have the ability to understand how their emotions affect their behavior and and how those emotions have impact on other people around them. 

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Find a Way to be Unproductive

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“I’ve found that there are not many margin spaces in the life of a leader where you’re not required to be productive. And so, you’ve gotta have a place where you’re not productive so that you can end up releasing what God gives you in the future.”-Garris Elkins

Pastor and author, Garris Elkins has a heart for the next generation. Garris, like many new pastors, had struggles and difficulties he wanted to quickly overcome. It was through these experiences that he realized how to discover the goodness in places that may seem “hopeless” and that God wants us to embrace those failures as we move forward with hope.

Join us as we talk with Garris about his journey to becoming a writer and his desire to encourage leaders. In his book, The Leadership Rock, Garris has collected the good, the bad and the ugly of leadership. His goal is to share stories to let people know that leadership is not always the mountaintop it appears, but that the true lessons are often learned in the valleys.

What you will learn:

  • How to see struggles as a place to find hope
  • Why it’s important to love just that one person, even “Gladys the drunk”
  • Not everything is supposed to look successful to be successful.
  • How to be content with God, even when results don’t follow.
  • Why focusing on the numbers game can often lead to depression.
  • The importance of studying the history of the clientele you are working with.
  • How to create margin and learn the importance of being unproductive.

“God never leads us forward by judgement. He always calls us forward through hope.” -Garris Elkins

Resources: for more information, YouTube videos, and Garris’ blog

The Leadership Rock by Garris Elkins

The Garris Elkins YouTube Channel


Garris Elkins has been called by God to raise up a prophetic generation who will speak to the cultures of our world with the empowered voice of Heaven. Garris’ ministry seeks to align people with their God-defined destiny through teaching, writing and prophetic ministry. Garris and his wife, Jan, live in Southern Oregon. They enjoy walking in the hills that surround their home and lingering over a good espresso.

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He Who Solves the Problem, Owns the Solution

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“I never realized how hard it was to help somebody and actually not hurt them. And a lot of people are out there doing things that they really believe because they have a good intention to help, are helping people, but the reality is it’s actually doing more harm than good.” -Mike McCausland

Michael McCausland, Founder and Executive Director of Sustainable Communities Worldwide, tells a story about a village in Africa where the women were walking 3 hours round trip to get water for their village. A non-profit group came into this community and thought it would be helpful to build a well in the village so the women would not have to walk so far for a needed resource. It was a surprise to everyone when the community started to fall apart. Why? Because those women were solving many of the village issues during their time of walking and talking. The desire to solve a problem ended up causing unintended consequences.

On today’s episode, we will hear about Mike’s journey from a career in nuclear power plants to humanitarian work in over 130 countries. James 1:27 was his call from God to make a difference in the lives of others and he quickly learned that helping people can sometimes hurt them. Sustainable Communities Worldwide shows villages and leaders around the world how to come up with their own solutions. Many of these same principles can also be accomplished in corporate settings.

What you will learn:

  • As a consultant, you never try to solve the problem. Instead, you help figure out the solution to the problem.  “He who solves the problem, owns the solution”
  • What happens to a culture who has been trained to seek others to solve their problems.
  • The importance of community resiliency.
  • The importance of cause and effect relationships.
  • How entrepreneurs are creating business in other countries.
  • Transferring the concept of ownership to the workforce.


When you begin to create that dependency, people don’t try to fix their own problems. It stifles innovation. It destroys dignity, and hope, and creativity. We’ve all been given a gift by God, and we’ve been given resources by God for our own solutions, but we don’t look for them when other people give us free stuff, and we just begin to look to others for our solutions and that’s happening all over the world.Mike McCausland


MikeMFOUNDER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR of Sustainable Communities World Wide. Since 1993 Michael has been working in the international aid arena. In 2001, he was a Founder of HISG, a non-profit established to bring business practices to humanitarian aid and development. The lessons they learned about building local capacity to break the crisis of dependency led to the launch of Sustainable Communities Worldwide.


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